Rogue: Forever against Classic

Want to see the tree rather than the list? Open the Rogue talent calculator

New in Forever

Talents with no counterpart in Classic 1.12.

Assassination	Mutilate Strikes with both daggers at once.
Assassination	Venom Poisons deal additional damage.
Combat	Puncturing Wounds Increases the critical chance of dagger attacks.
Combat	Flawless Execution Eviscerate costs noticeably less energy.
Combat	Hack and Slash Swords and axes gain a chance for an extra attack.
Subtlety	Dirty Tricks Blind and Sap reach further and cost less.
Subtlety	Improved Distract Distract works further away and more reliably.
Subtlety	Quietus Increases damage dealt from stealth.
Subtlety	Cutthroat Opening attacks can silence the target.
Subtlety	Thousand Cuts A rapid flurry of strikes against a single target.

Gone from Classic

Talents that existed in Classic and are not in the beta client. The text below each one is the Classic tooltip, not our summary.

Combat	Improved Backstab Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 10%.
Combat	Dagger Specialization Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers by 1%.
Combat	Mace Specialization Increases your skill with Maces by 1, and gives you a 1% chance to stun your target for 3 sec with a mace.
Combat	Sword Specialization Gives you a 1% chance to get an extra attack on the same target after dealing damage with your Sword.
Combat	Fist Weapon Specialization Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Fist Weapons by 1%.
Subtlety	Sleight of Hand Reduces the chance you are critically hit by melee and ranged attacks by 1% and increases the threat reduction of your Feint ability by 10%.
Subtlety	Improved Sap Gives you a 30% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability.
Subtlety	Deadliness Increases your Attack Power by 2%.

Moved to another tree

The talent is still there, in a different tree - which means different points and often a different build.

Combat	Improved Eviscerate from Assassination to Combat
Assassination	Improved Gouge from Combat to Assassination

Moved within its tree

Same tree, different row. A row is a price: from row 2 to row 5 the talent costs 25 points in the tree instead of 10.

Assassination	Vile Poisons a different column in the same row - the price stays at 15 points
Assassination	Cold Blood from 20 points in the tree to 15
Assassination	Seal Fate a different column in the same row - the price stays at 25 points
Assassination	Vigor from 30 points in the tree to 20
Subtlety	Camouflage from 5 points in the tree to 0
Subtlety	Improved Ambush from 10 points in the tree to 5
Subtlety	Setup from 15 points in the tree to 5
Subtlety	Heightened Senses from 20 points in the tree to 15
Subtlety	Dirty Deeds a different column in the same row - the price stays at 20 points
Subtlety	Hemorrhage a different column in the same row - the price stays at 20 points
Subtlety	Premeditation from 30 points in the tree to 15

A different number of ranks

The talent exists in both, with a different number of ranks.

Assassination	Improved Kidney Shot 3 ranks in Classic, 2 in the beta
Assassination	Vigor 1 ranks in Classic, 2 in the beta
Combat	Deflection 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in the beta
Combat	Precision 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in the beta
Subtlety	Master of Deception 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in the beta
Subtlety	Opportunity 5 ranks in Classic, 2 in the beta

What changed since BlizzCon

1 changes between the trees shown at BlizzCon and the current beta client.

replaced

Combat

Restless Blades → Flawless Execution Eviscerate costs noticeably less energy.

Two independent Classic 1.12 talent datasets, compared against each other: maladr0it/classic-talent-calculator and hseager/Classic-WoW-Talent-Planner. All 431 talents they share sit at identical positions in both. Names and positions are taken from the second, which is the complete one; the first is missing Faerie Fire (Feral).