Rogue: Forever against Classic

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New in Forever

Talents with no counterpart in Classic 1.12.

Assassination	Blood Splatter Rupture and Garrote last longer.
Assassination	Venom Shank briefly makes your poisons hit harder and apply more often.
Assassination	Mutilate Strikes with both daggers at once.
Combat	Coup de Grace Eviscerate and Death Mark hit harder, and Death Mark also stores damage faster.
Combat	Puncturing Wounds Increases the critical chance of dagger attacks.
Combat	Composure Poised saves even more energy.
Combat	Flawless Execution Eviscerate costs noticeably less energy.
Combat	Hack and Slash Swords and axes gain a chance for an extra attack.
Combat	Flash of Steel Shank generates more energy and comes back sooner.
Subtlety	Dirty Tricks Blind and Sap reach further and cost less.
Subtlety	Quick Getaway You can keep one more target sapped at a time, and you move faster for a moment after each Sap.
Subtlety	Boot Knife Shank can add two combo points to the target.
Subtlety	Death Mark A finishing move that marks the target and collects part of your damage, twice as much from Garrote and Rupture. After six seconds the collected damage lands all at once.

Gone from Classic

Talents that existed in Classic and are not in the Forever client. The text below each one is the Classic tooltip, not our summary.

Assassination	Improved Eviscerate Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 5%.
Assassination	Murder Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 1%.
Combat	Improved Backstab Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 10%.
Combat	Dagger Specialization Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers by 1%.
Combat	Mace Specialization Increases your skill with Maces by 1, and gives you a 1% chance to stun your target for 3 sec with a mace.
Combat	Sword Specialization Gives you a 1% chance to get an extra attack on the same target after dealing damage with your Sword.
Combat	Fist Weapon Specialization Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Fist Weapons by 1%.
Subtlety	Sleight of Hand Reduces the chance you are critically hit by melee and ranged attacks by 1% and increases the threat reduction of your Feint ability by 10%.
Subtlety	Improved Sap Gives you a 30% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability.
Subtlety	Deadliness Increases your Attack Power by 2%.

Moved to another tree

The talent is still there, in a different tree - which means different points and often a different build.

Assassination

Improved Gouge from Combat to Assassination

Moved within its tree

Same tree, different row. A row is a price: from row 2 to row 5 the talent costs 25 points in the tree instead of 10.

Assassination	Relentless Strikes from 10 points in the tree to 20
Assassination	Improved Expose Armor from 10 points in the tree to 5
Assassination	Vile Poisons a different column in the same row - the price stays at 15 points
Assassination	Cold Blood from 20 points in the tree to 15
Assassination	Seal Fate a different column in the same row - the price stays at 25 points
Assassination	Vigor from 30 points in the tree to 10
Combat	Improved Sprint from 10 points in the tree to 5
Combat	Dual Wield Specialization from 15 points in the tree to 20
Combat	Weapon Expertise from 25 points in the tree to 15
Combat	Aggression from 25 points in the tree to 15
Subtlety	Elusiveness from 5 points in the tree to 15
Subtlety	Camouflage a different column in the same row - the price stays at 5 points
Subtlety	Ghostly Strike from 10 points in the tree to 15
Subtlety	Improved Ambush from 10 points in the tree to 5
Subtlety	Setup from 15 points in the tree to 0
Subtlety	Serrated Blades from 15 points in the tree to 10
Subtlety	Dirty Deeds from 20 points in the tree to 5
Subtlety	Hemorrhage a different column in the same row - the price stays at 20 points
Subtlety	Premeditation from 30 points in the tree to 10

A different number of ranks

The talent exists in both, with a different number of ranks.

Assassination	Relentless Strikes 1 ranks in Classic, 5 in Forever
Assassination	Lethality 5 ranks in Classic, 2 in Forever
Assassination	Improved Kidney Shot 3 ranks in Classic, 2 in Forever
Assassination	Seal Fate 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in Forever
Assassination	Vigor 1 ranks in Classic, 2 in Forever
Combat	Deflection 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in Forever
Combat	Precision 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in Forever
Combat	Dual Wield Specialization 5 ranks in Classic, 2 in Forever
Subtlety	Master of Deception 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in Forever
Subtlety	Camouflage 5 ranks in Classic, 3 in Forever

What changed since BlizzCon

38 changes between the trees shown at BlizzCon and the launch client.

gone	Assassination	Murder Increases damage against humanoids, beasts and dragonkin.
gone	Subtlety	Improved Distract Distract works further away and more reliably.
gone	Subtlety	Quietus Increases damage dealt from stealth.
new	Assassination	Blood Splatter Rupture and Garrote last longer.
new	Combat	Composure Poised saves even more energy.
new	Combat	Flash of Steel Shank generates more energy and comes back sooner.
new	Subtlety	Quick Getaway You can keep one more target sapped at a time, and you move faster for a moment after each Sap.
renamed	Combat	Improved Eviscerate → Coup de Grace Eviscerate and Death Mark hit harder, and Death Mark also stores damage faster.
renamed	Combat	Improved Sinister Strike → Efficient Strikes Sinister Strike and Hemorrhage cost less energy.
replaced	Combat	Restless Blades → Flawless Execution Eviscerate costs noticeably less energy.
replaced	Subtlety	Cutthroat → Boot Knife Shank can add two combo points to the target.
replaced	Subtlety	Thousand Cuts → Death Mark A finishing move that marks the target and collects part of your damage, twice as much from Garrote and Rupture. After six seconds the collected damage lands all at once.
moved	Assassination	Relentless Strikes Finishing moves have a chance to restore energy.
moved	Assassination	Improved Expose Armor Expose Armor reduces armor further.
moved	Assassination	Vigor Increases maximum energy.
moved	Assassination	Mutilate Strikes with both daggers at once.
moved	Assassination	Venom Shank briefly makes your poisons hit harder and apply more often.
moved	Combat	Improved Sprint Sprint removes movement-impairing effects.
moved	Combat	Dual Wield Specialization Increases off-hand weapon damage.
moved	Combat	Weapon Expertise Your attacks are dodged or parried less often.
moved	Combat	Aggression Increases the damage of Sinister Strike and Eviscerate.
moved	Subtlety	Camouflage Increases movement speed while stealthed.
moved	Subtlety	Setup Dodging an attack or fully resisting a spell can grant you a combo point.
moved	Subtlety	Elusiveness Reduces the cooldown of Vanish and Blind.
moved	Subtlety	Dirty Tricks Blind and Sap reach further and cost less.
moved	Subtlety	Improved Ambush Increases the critical chance of Ambush.
moved	Subtlety	Ghostly Strike A strike that briefly increases your dodge, and your next Ambush or Garrote afterwards works without Stealth.
moved	Subtlety	Heightened Senses Increases stealth detection and reduces enemy hit chance.
moved	Subtlety	Premeditation Adds combo points to the target in advance.
moved	Subtlety	Serrated Blades Attacks ignore part of the target’s armor.
moved	Subtlety	Dirty Deeds Cheap Shot and Garrote cost less energy, and Garrote no longer needs you behind the target.
ranks	Assassination	Relentless Strikes Finishing moves have a chance to restore energy.
ranks	Assassination	Lethality Increases the bonus damage of critical abilities.
ranks	Assassination	Seal Fate Critical strikes grant an extra combo point.
ranks	Combat	Dual Wield Specialization Increases off-hand weapon damage.
ranks	Subtlety	Camouflage Increases movement speed while stealthed.
ranks	Subtlety	Opportunity Increases damage of abilities used from behind.
reworded	Subtlety	Hemorrhage An instant strike that makes your Rupture and Garrote on the target hit harder.

Two independent Classic 1.12 talent datasets, compared against each other: maladr0it/classic-talent-calculator and hseager/Classic-WoW-Talent-Planner. All 431 talents they share sit at identical positions in both. Names and positions are taken from the second, which is the complete one; the first is missing Faerie Fire (Feral).